{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=565","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=563","results":[{"id":5631,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5631/?format=json","text_counter":144,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. K. Kilonzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":172,"legal_name":"Julius Kiema Kilonzo","slug":"kiema-kilonzo"},"content":"On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir."},{"id":5632,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5632/?format=json","text_counter":145,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Mungatana","speaker_title":"The Temporary Deputy Speaker","speaker":{"id":185,"legal_name":"Danson Buya Mungatana","slug":"danson-mungatana"},"content":" You are out of order, hon. K. Kilonzo! Let the Attorney-General finish!"},{"id":5633,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5633/?format=json","text_counter":146,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Prof. Muigai","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":408,"legal_name":"Githu Muigai","slug":"githu-muigai"},"content":"Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I need to remind hon. K. Kilonzo that it is the Kenyan people and this House that decided that after 40 years of the Attorney-General being a prosecutor, they were unhappy with that position and they wanted an independent Director of Public Prosecutions. If the Kenyan people or this House have changed their mind on that point, since we are in the mood of cleaning up the Constitution, this would be a good opportunity to re-visit the issue but until we do so, we must respect the independence of the DPP. This Government has no reason to protect any person who has committed a criminal offence. If these 35 directors, or any of them, have committed a criminal offence, the DPP will prosecute them."},{"id":5634,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5634/?format=json","text_counter":147,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Prof. Muigai","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":408,"legal_name":"Githu Muigai","slug":"githu-muigai"},"content":"Thank you."},{"id":5635,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5635/?format=json","text_counter":148,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Mungatana","speaker_title":"The Temporary Deputy Speaker","speaker":{"id":185,"legal_name":"Danson Buya Mungatana","slug":"danson-mungatana"},"content":" Hon. Members, let us have questions now, starting with the Member for Ikolomani. He has really been standing up. We will then have the Member for Lari."},{"id":5636,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5636/?format=json","text_counter":149,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Dr. Khalwale","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":170,"legal_name":"Bonny Khalwale","slug":"bonny-khalwale"},"content":"Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Attorney- General has a lot of respect for the judicial arm of this Government, and he knows that this is not a banana republic. The task force, which cost the taxpayer a lot of money to come up with this report realised that there was room in which the Attorney-General would move on the properties that were purchased with the proceeds of the investments of the people who were conned in these pyramid schemes. The task force, on page 18 of its report, tells the Attorney-General the name of the company, the name of the director and what property this person has. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, just allow me to bring the Attorney-General to speed. For instance, there is the company called Sasanet Investments. The Director is Mr. Michael Chege. The task force found that he owns 30 housing units worth Kshs60 million in Sunrise Estate and 11 acres of land in Nyari. He has Kshs40 million deposited for purchase of land and four flats along Chaka Road, and so on. The task force also found that a man in Kakamega called Patrick Ayitsi Ongoi owns vehicles he bought from these schemes. The task force also found out that DECI was not only operating under George Donde, but he was supported by people on the ground, including powerful politicians in Vihiga and other politicians in Ikolomani. Why has he not moved to ensure that he secures these properties with the eventual view of restitution to those innocent Kenyans who were conned, including mama mbogas and boda boda boys? Some people sold their cows. These include my own watchman, Protus Mutamba, who sold his cow."},{"id":5637,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5637/?format=json","text_counter":150,"type":"scene","speaker_name":"","speaker_title":"","speaker":null,"content":"(Laughter)"},{"id":5638,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5638/?format=json","text_counter":151,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Prof. Muigai","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":408,"legal_name":"Githu Muigai","slug":"githu-muigai"},"content":"Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to start by commiserating with the hon. Member’s watchman and all those others who lost their money in this very tragic and unfortunate scam. Unfortunately, the Attorney-General’s Office is a fairly small office. We do not have the resources to help private individuals to recover losses from this sort of scam. Our job is made even more difficult by the fact that we must track the prosecution. It is a succession prosecution that establishes the facts upon which a civil remedy can be granted. In this House, there is pending a Bill, which I hope we shall enact soon, on consumer protection. My Office has sought to make amendments to that Bill in order to strengthen the hand of the Attorney-General to protect the public interest in consumer sort of related situations. So, I would like to assure the House that I am as concerned as it is. We should never have a repeat of this sort of scam."},{"id":5639,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5639/?format=json","text_counter":152,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Mungatana","speaker_title":"The Temporary Deputy Speaker","speaker":{"id":185,"legal_name":"Danson Buya Mungatana","slug":"danson-mungatana"},"content":" Attorney-General, apart from all these good explanations, I think the House would be really helped if you can tell us what you can do, as the Government. There is a practical case that has been given here. A Committee of this House has found so-and-so has collected money. He has enriched himself. He has property, and there are people who have lost. That person is just living in Kenya, enjoying himself. What is the Government able to do? You will help us a lot if you tell us what you can do; that is the concern of the House."},{"id":5640,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5640/?format=json","text_counter":153,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Prof. Muigai","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":408,"legal_name":"Githu Muigai","slug":"githu-muigai"},"content":"Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wish I had good news on this matter. I wish I was able to say that the Government will restore to these persons the monies lost by them. Unfortunately, the money available to the Government is the money that this House has voted for the Government to use in various schemes. You will recall that just last week and the week before, I answered Questions relating to Government Ministries that have failed to pay court-ordered payments, and hon. Members wanted to know what we, in my Office, would be able to do about this. Unfortunately, at this moment, I do not know of any method that I can use to compensate persons who have suffered in this way. I can only say that it is open to this House, and it is open to my informants---"}]}