{"count":1608389,"next":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=570","previous":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/?format=json&page=568","results":[{"id":5681,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5681/?format=json","text_counter":194,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. C. Kilonzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":46,"legal_name":"Charles Mutavi Kilonzo","slug":"charles-kilonzo"},"content":"“(1) The CID to undertake immediate investigations on bank accounts involved and complete within six months---” This was never done."},{"id":5682,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5682/?format=json","text_counter":195,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. C. Kilonzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":46,"legal_name":"Charles Mutavi Kilonzo","slug":"charles-kilonzo"},"content":"The taskforce further recommended:- “(2) The CID to undertake and complete tracing of assets acquired from proceeds of pyramid schemes operations within one year with a view of recovery and restitution.” That was also never done. The taskforce also recommended:-"},{"id":5683,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5683/?format=json","text_counter":196,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. C. Kilonzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":46,"legal_name":"Charles Mutavi Kilonzo","slug":"charles-kilonzo"},"content":"“(3) The Government to enlist the assistance of foreign missions and governments where the perpetrators may have invested proceedings from pyramid schemes outside.” Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, another recommendation on the bit of Parliament, which Parliament has fulfilled says:-"},{"id":5684,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5684/?format=json","text_counter":197,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. C. Kilonzo","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":46,"legal_name":"Charles Mutavi Kilonzo","slug":"charles-kilonzo"},"content":"“Parliament to fast-track the enactment of Mutual Legal Assistance Bill.” That was published in 2009. Parliament has done its bit. Finally, on frozen accounts, this is what the report recommended: “The Central Bank of Kenya to issue a public statement on the current status of all frozen accounts related to pyramid schemes.” So, is the Attorney-General in order to tell us his hands are tied and that he does not know which way to go while there is a report by a task force of the same Government which they have failed to implement?"},{"id":5685,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5685/?format=json","text_counter":198,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Prof. Muigai","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":408,"legal_name":"Githu Muigai","slug":"githu-muigai"},"content":"Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, as hon. Members know this matter is not new in this House. This matter came to this House long before I came here. You will remember that on the 29th of April, 2008, Dr. Oburu, the Assistant Minister for Finance answered this Question at some length. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, you will remember that on 12th August, 2010, two years later, Dr. Oburu, again, answered this Question at length. On 5th May, 2011, Dr. Oburu, again, answered this Question at great length. This history is important. I craved the indulgence of the Chair to refresh Hon. Members’ memory on that point. Where we have reached now is that we do have a Director of Public Prosecutions (DDP). This Report and other investigative materials were placed before him. He made certain decisions as to how he intended to proceed. However, I cannot interfere with those decisions. This House cannot interfere and even a court of law may not interfere with those decisions. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, we must remember the independence of the DPP is as important as the independence of the court. If we wanted to call the DPP before a Parliamentary Committee, it would raise the same level of concern as if we summoned judges to explain how they make their decisions. Unfortunately, this is the price we have to pay for the rule of law in the manner that we have drafted it in our Constitution. However, I want to concede that these poor Kenyans were swindled of their money in very tragic circumstances. We owe them an effort to assist them to recover this money. That effort is not an effort on the part of the Attorney-General alone, but it includes an effort by this House. This House has many tools at its disposal to do so. I want to undertake this, hopefully, we will be able to bring this matter to rest. I commit to the House to set up a taskforce in my Chambers to co-ordinate this effort. I believe we need to have a body that will co-ordinate the independent effort being made by the victims and victim associations to recovery this money. I will put at their disposal any resources that they may require from my Chambers, including the services of my State Counsels."},{"id":5686,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5686/?format=json","text_counter":199,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Mungatana","speaker_title":"The Temporary Deputy Speaker","speaker":{"id":185,"legal_name":"Danson Buya Mungatana","slug":"danson-mungatana"},"content":" We must move on. However, that was very useful information. I want to inform the House that I have noticed that there is more useful information on the same matter from the Chair of the Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Cooperatives. Please, inform the House what you are doing, so that hon. Members may know what is going on."},{"id":5687,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5687/?format=json","text_counter":200,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Mututho","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":97,"legal_name":"John Michael Njenga Mututho","slug":"john-mututho"},"content":"Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the purpose of the record and so that we seem to read from the same script with the Attorney-General, there are procedures that we follow in this House. These procedures are popularly known as Standing Orders. Article 124 of our Constitution allows us to do the rules and procedures that we follow here. Under those procedures, Departmental Committees of this House operate under Standing Order No.198. Standing Order No.198(3) specifies what we can do and the extent we can go. According to Article 125 of the Constitution, the Committee of the House and this Parliament has the same powers as the High Court to summon anyone. The operational word is “anyone”---"},{"id":5688,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5688/?format=json","text_counter":201,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Mungatana","speaker_title":"The Temporary Deputy Speaker","speaker":{"id":185,"legal_name":"Danson Buya Mungatana","slug":"danson-mungatana"},"content":" Mr. Mututho, please, tell us what you are doing. I have given a lot of leeway in this Question. We need to move on."},{"id":5689,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5689/?format=json","text_counter":202,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Mututho","speaker_title":"","speaker":{"id":97,"legal_name":"John Michael Njenga Mututho","slug":"john-mututho"},"content":"Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I seek your further indulgence because the closing remarks by the Attorney-General seem to imply that the DPP cannot be summoned by any of the Committees of this House. It is important that I get some guidance from the Chair on the same because we do not want to gag any Departmental Committee of this House. As the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Cooperatives I have summoned Mr. Nyenze and I hope he will come with all the supporting information. I am inviting any hon. Member with any information to look at the notices. We are proceeding on well and we will deliver a report to this House for adoption or rejection within four weeks."},{"id":5690,"url":"http://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/5690/?format=json","text_counter":203,"type":"speech","speaker_name":"Mr. Mungatana","speaker_title":"The Temporary Deputy Speaker","speaker":{"id":185,"legal_name":"Danson Buya Mungatana","slug":"danson-mungatana"},"content":" We have spent 30 minutes on this Question. We will give the last chance to Mr. C. Kilonzo then we close."}]}