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    "id": 1051248,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1051248/?format=api",
    "text_counter": 130,
    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. Orengo",
    "speaker_title": "The Senate Minority Leader",
    "speaker": {
        "id": 129,
        "legal_name": "Aggrey James Orengo",
        "slug": "james-orengo"
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    "content": " Madam Temporary Speaker, I listened very keenly as Sen. Kihika, the Senator for Nakuru County, sought this Statement and rushed here to put in a word. I appreciate what the Senator is saying because this is not a light matter particularly with the COVID-19 pandemic. Many countries that are looking into ways of rolling out the COVID-19 vaccine are drawing a clear road map ahead of procuring and deploying resources in order to make sure that people get vaccinated. In our country, the most likely scenario which will emerge will be a repeat of what we have seen in many of these scandals, as the Senator for Narok County, Sen. Olekina, has stated. I have a little point of departure because these lamentations will continue. The problem with many Kenyans is that we have not decided the nature of the state we want. It is very difficult for a politician to survive in Kenya without going for resources. In fact, the proposition that I want to put forward is on the issue of debt and borrowing. Debt is not a bad thing. In fact, after the First and Second World Wars, the 32nd President of the United States of America (USA), Franklin D. Roosevelt, put a lot of resources in infrastructure through borrowing and debt. However, debt in Kenya is a basis of rent seeking. The problem is with us. So long as politicians in Kenya want to play the kind of politics that we are playing, we shall never deal conclusively with the problem of corruption as it feeds the Kenyan political system. That is a fact. We have developed a kleptocratic state in Kenya where leaders are looking for resources on how to run the state. We are definitely the problem, as leaders, not the civil servants, the Judiciary or even the Office of the DPP. The issue of corruption is with us until the day that we will decide on how to define the Kenyan state. The former MP for Subukia, hon. Koigi wa Wamwere, one time brought a very good Bill against harambees. The former President of Kenya, Hon. Kibaki did very well in discouraging"
}