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"speaker_name": "Sen. Orengo",
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"content": "by speaking to the issue of corruption. The biggest problem to fight against corruption are the politicians who determine what the Kenyan state is like and the problem is the Kenyan state. If you talk to an ordinary Senator in the USA about the kind of monies we give out in harambees, they would be surprised. One time, a friend of mine from South Africa who was very senior in the South African Government after serving as a Minister there for over 20 years, visited me and I took her to my activities over the weekend. She was taken aback by how a state officer can take money from their pocket and give out in harambees . That only happens in Kenya. Madam Temporary Speaker, if we took at the model of Mauritius, that had a lady President who took a little trinket that she did not declare as the President of Mauritius, it did not take six months before she was removed from office. At some point, I want to bring a paper before this House for us to discuss because corruption is with us until we change the nature of the Kenyan state. It is very hard for politicians to operate in the current state of affairs. There was a time as the MP for Ugenya, that it did not matter whether I had any money going upcountry to my constituency. However, most Members are now forced to even borrow money just to go to their constituencies. The problem we have is as a result of the Kenyan state. The Senator for Nakuru County knows what I am talking about. We have to look at each other in the eye because we have a lot of good things that are going on in Kenya. We are putting up an express way, but we may be shocked to learn that it will cost us twice the value of what we are constructing because some people have taken money out of projects like those. Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank you."
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