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    "id": 1051883,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1051883/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Mutula Kilonzo Jnr",
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    "content": "have seen the recommendation of the Committee on Roads and Transport. I have seen comments by Senators about the Road Maintenance Levy. We are having a problem of the chicken and the egg. We want to retain the conditional grant. The conditional grant is not properly utilized, but at the same time, we want to ensure that the mistakes of county governments are not visited on them. We still have that fund in existence. That issue is still unresolved because the person whom we would ask that question did not come. It is a concern. We have put it in the Report. On domestic borrowing, Sen. Sakaja is right. That is part of the reason a law was signed to make sure that there is a reprieve for local businessmen in terms of borrowing. This was to ensure that the interest is not too high, and the Government is not borrowing too much from the domestic market. This is because it is attractive to local banks to give money to the Government and not the local entrepreneurs. Sen. Sakaja mentioned Sen. (Dr.) Ochillo-Ayacko and sons figuratively. That includes Mwikali and sons, Mwikali and daughters, Mutheu and sons, and Mutheu and sisters. They cannot borrow. Banks are not interested in lending ordinary Kenyans money because they expect the Government to borrow from them. That one also has not been addressed."
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