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    "id": 1057150,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.",
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    "content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Let me begin from where my good friend, Sen. Sakaja, left. A good practise in jurisdiction all over the world is to keep a permanent secretariat as opposed to Members. This is what the Public Accounts Committee of the House of Commons does. You will find a clerk assistant has been with the Committee for 30 years. It becomes continuous unlike our practise where our secretariat is moved here and there. I have no problem with the practice, but it does not help us. Since the audits of 2013 for purposes of my county Makueni has no follow up. It is just year on year and is academic and not effective. I recently did some calculations on how much money Makueni County has received after devolution. In this financial year, it will be Kshs60 billion. Is there value for that money? Can I go to Makueni and proudly say that out of Kshs60 billion, the county has done anything worth the money we have distributed? The answer is no. What about the Committee? I am afraid that the site of the Chamber today in relation to the discussions we are having on CPAIC on these counties tells you that Members have lost interest. Currently, how many Senators were in this House in 2014/2015? They have no interest in following up some of the things that were done before them. To some great extent, the CPAIC need some redemption. I have lost faith in that Committee and in its work. I say so because I have sat in many meetings regarding my own county. The Governor comes and gives undertakings to do several things within a specific period and nobody follows up after that. When you ask them, nothing happens? I have lost faith that the CPAIC of the Senate will offer the solutions we need and they will give reports that we can go out in the public and implement. The suggestion is technical, the proposal by Sen. Sakaja might be the solution that the next Senate must consider a technical committee. It will plug into the book of accounts of any county and come out with results. I have been taken for training in the House of Commons and The National Council for State Legislature in the United States of America (NCSL). It is only in Kenya where everything is an audit issue. We have such little faith and bad manners of operating that everybody and everything must be questioned. Every single penny has a query. In NCSL, only matters of fundamental nature reach the level of the Senate. NCSL is an umbrella body like County Assembly Forum (CAF). Only fundamental matters reach the level of this House. Half or majority are handled out there. What is the current status? The County Governor of Makueni is now operating as County Assembly Members in a by-election. The County Governor of Machakos is operating with County Assembly Members for purposes of the Senate by-election. Are The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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