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    "id": 1072727,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. (Dr.) Ochillo-Ayacko",
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    "content": "think none of us was present; we just read about it. I was not there, so I do not know. I read about it just like the counsel. Pontius Pilate many years ago was faced with a similar decision. According to Pontius Pilate, he did not see the innocence or guilt of Jesus Christ. Before making his final verdict, he decided to ask the people who were baying for the blood of Jesus, “Why do you want me to crucify or to sentence this innocent person to death?” Those fellas said that he had broken so many laws according to them. When he pressed on they told him, “No, do not today release the other gentleman who was a known criminal and peddler of bad behaviour called Barabbas, but we just want you to deal with this innocent guy.” At the end of it, the verdict was that Jesus was convicted on the popular will of those Jews. It is them who demanded for the conviction of Jesus and it is them who had him convicted and crucified. So, that is an ambiguity that may - I do not know how this House intends to vote - arise at the end of the voting. One of the questions that I ask myself as I go through this report is: Was the verdict of the County Assembly of Wajir popular? It appears that the number that came up and supported it was indeed a large number and could be described accurately as a popular movement to impeach the governor. The second question because this is a quasi- political process was that popular decision right? I do not have the answer to that and I keep groping in the dark. I have looked at the report of the Committee and I have also noticed that it was quite popular with the Members of the Committee. I am trying to unravel it and find out if it was right. Since Sen. Omogeni is my good friend, I will go to him so that he whispers to me whether it is right or not. I cannot at this stage go through it thoroughly because there are other charges that were carried over from Wajir by the County Assembly that the Committee of the distinguished Senior Counsel found to have been wrong. We will consult on that and see how to arrive at consensus between the two of us. I also understand and in previous decisions of this House, that issue of popularity of the verdict and unpopularity of it has been debated, not necessarily in this Chamber. I remember that one of the Governor of Kirinyaga is something that is still being debated to date. I am baffled at the fact that were we right or were we wrong. I am also looking at the one of Kiambu, that happened when I was out of the country trying to talk to God somewhere on other issues that were affecting me. However, the debate is still out there, were we right or were we wrong. That one of Nairobi came here, it found me here and I am sure that if you brought the same voting or debate now, what will be the conclusion? Were we right or were we wrong? So, this is the Pontius Pilate moment that the counsel asked us to deal with. I am still thinking about it today, was Pontius Pilate right or wrong? That is a debate that we can analyse, but it is very hard to know what was in his mind. It is also very hard to know what was in the minds of those Jews, including the Sanhedrin who were asking very loudly for the blood of Jesus. Unfortunately, or fortunately, we forgive them that through that blood we got saved. So, that is the hardest decision here. I want to say that politics is about power, very many interested parties and very many political forces, including 2022 and many other factors. Are those factors right or are they wrong? Those are some of the difficult questions that politicians have to ask"
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