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    "id": 1077413,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr.) James Nyikal",
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    "content": "I see that as devolution is progressing, there are many structural issues, policy and management issues that we have to look at particularly between the national and the county governments and the inter-county government relations instruments. I think these instruments are not helping. There are issues that were raised by the Chairman on pending bills. It is horrible. I know businessmen who have sold their cars. I know people whose children are in schools and lack fees. I know people who borrowed money from banks, done business with counties and have not been paid. That is not what we intended when we went for devolution. Why is this happening? Is it because they did not have enough money or we do not give them enough money? Is it that the formula that we are working with is not appropriate? Is there a problem of budgeting versus their planning? Who then is going to help them if this is happening all over? Is it the procurement and payment process? For example, in health, I know the reason why the Kenya Medical Supplies Agency (KEMSA) is not paid by the counties. It is because there is nobody chasing their vouchers for them. I think the people doing roads and buildings just stand at the window and talk to the finance officers. Those are actually orphaned vouchers and, therefore, we need to put structures in place."
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