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    "id": 1091473,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1091473/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Ruaraka, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. T.J. Kajwang’",
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        "legal_name": "Tom Joseph Kajwang'",
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    "content": " Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, the problem that we have is that some Members do not want to take advice and when advice is made available, they sometimes display intellectual superiority over things which should just be plain. Hon. (Dr.) Wamalwa should accept that I am the Vice-Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. While I am here on matters of this Committee, he should accept to get some advice because then we will be guiding this House properly. It is true that there is no report before the House, but the Temporary Deputy Speaker has guided us well that under the Standing Orders, where there is no report and yet a matter has been scheduled for Second Reading, the Standing Orders states that the House will proceed with that matter notwithstanding the absence of the report and the relevant committee will prepare the report. This is because the report is most useful in the Third Reading when we make it law. Let me request you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, that for issues that I am discussing with my Members, let Members debate. I understand the Member for Kiminini to be debating. That is what we need to encourage. Let as many Members as possible give their opinion in this matter. However, the report of the Committee will be available to Members as we progress. So, I was asking that we have more time to debate on this issue. As you see, those of us in the Committee have not expressed our views on this. We are waiting for the rest of the Members to have as much opportunity as possible, then we will give our views on it. Therefore, we beg you not to call the Mover to reply on this, but allow it some more time when Members of the Committee will express their view. Something like this is a legal issue. Let me tell Hon. (Dr.) Wamalwa that it is a unit of study in the Faculty of Law. So, we do not have issues of radicalisation and so on. This is a legal issue that comprises members of a society, so that if we sensationalise this issue, we will see reports outside there which are misleading. I do not blame him because he did not spend time in law class, but spent time in finance class and I congratulate him for that. However, take advice from some people who spent some time, like the Member for Suba North. They took some time to study this as a unit in the faculty. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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