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"content": "divided that land as they wished. The “black white man” is trying is to do what the “white black man” did by giving out these pieces of land. I am hoping that, Sen. Wetangula, this is not a matter that should go just by a way of Petition. Land conflicts can lead to various serious problems. I am hoping that when this Committee reports, we will take some action. If you look under the Forest Conservation and Management Act, Sen. Mwangi--- If you look at this statute, the Senate has teeth. It is not the Cabinet Secretary (CS). The National Assembly has teeth. He cannot just wake up and say this is a forest. It is just like somebody declaring this Senate to be a church or mosque. Madam Temporary Speaker, you do not do things like that way. There must be public participation. Even if land is not alienated by way of title deed, we have come from communities. Before you give out land or declare it is a forest, for example, if you go to Bungoma, that land either belongs to the Bukusu, Sabaot or Tachoni as it is in the Petition. Let them have participation. However, you do not find a CS who does not know how people live in that area just dreaming. The next day because he has received some Petition from somebody who has got ulterior motives and declares that is a forest. I know an area in this part of the country where a declaration was made that that area is a forest, but there is no tree in the area. No trees have been planted. Subsequently, you find people getting pieces of land in acres and acres. I hope and pray that the people of Bungoma will not lose this piece of land and their rights will be protected under the Constitution."
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