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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Murkomen",
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        "legal_name": "Onesimus Kipchumba Murkomen",
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    "content": "The fight between the Pokot and the Turkana is whether Kapedo is in Turkana or Pokot. That is a question that has not been resolved up to now. If we have to sort out this problem in the future, this law is very important because it will help us to stop looking at the dispute as a cattle rustling. What really did make that problem very complicated between 2013 and 2015 was because oil had been discovered in Turkana and there was then the belief that there would be oil wells in Kapedo area. Communities began to think that everybody would have their own oil well. You should have heard the time we were saying we had discovered oil in Turkana. People were very graphic about it. They were saying now we need to buy our own containers, everyone will have their jerrican of oil. Some people were beginning to call themselves the Sultan of Turkana. People were beginning to have these imaginations about how their lives would change. I wonder what happened now that we are discussing how oil prices have gone up. I wonder what happened to the Tullow Oil exploration. Now that we cannot get the Cabinet Secretary here and he is from Turkana we do not have the opportunity to ask him that very simple question as to what happened to the oil exploration in Turkana. Those are the things that create these problems that we are dealing with. Boundaries remain very important. I know for sure we are discussing boundaries within counties. However, you will realize eventually that this exercise will require Kenya to also deal with its international boundaries. When you are talking about the boundaries of Turkana County, it will mean we will have to define our boundary with Sudan. We will have to define our boundary with Uganda. The same applies to West Pokot and Uganda. When we talk of the boundaries of Tana River, Mandera and all those other parts of the country, we will have to deal with the boundary of Kenya and Somalia. We have a serious debate about the decision of the ICJ and the question of our international maritime boundaries. This is one issue that we must deal with. I agree with all of us who are saying that we are dissatisfied with the decision of the ICJ, but make no mistake; war is not the solution. It cannot be the solution. This country cannot fight with its neighbours. The only way to solve these disputes is this way that Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. is proposing between counties. It is also to look for ways of counties to be able to talk together and agree on how to benefit from the resources that they have. The reason why we have a problem with Somalia at the moment is because of resources. It is because someone wanted to undertake exploration of oil along that area of Lamu, Kismayu all the way to Somalia. The solution here is not to fight over these resources but to ask ourselves: How can we exploit these resources in a manner that can benefit our two countries? You will find ignorant Kenyans on social media saying that because the ICJ has made a certain decision, we are going to use force. We will fight Somalia. Do people really understand what war means? Those are the same sentiments that some politicians in some areas are saying: “We will fight for this county. We will fight for the boundaries of this county. We will not allow an inch of this boundary to move.”"
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