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    "id": 1113522,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Endebess, JP",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr.) Robert Pukose",
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    "content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Having listened very keenly to Hon. Duale, one of the key issues which he raised is that of public participation. If medical professionals, nurses, doctors and pharmacists were not accorded an opportunity to appear before the departmental committee to give their views, then it means public participation was not done. How do we debate something that did not have full public participation? Looking at the ruling by both the High Court and the Court of Appeal in the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI) case, public participation is not just to be seen to be done, but must have been done properly. Listening to what the Leader of the Majority Party said about the Mwongozo Code, what we have been borrowing is good governance. It is not just a question of the numbers and everything. What this Bill intends to do is to bring bad governance into professional bodies. When you say you want to open up professional bodies to persons from other professions, what do you mean? People form professional bodies to cater for their own interests. If we form a professional body for doctors and there is a professional body for lawyers, at what stage do we need somebody else to come and participate? Why should you have someone imposed on you and then you are told that they are part of your team? How do you appoint a doctor to sit on the board of the LSK and deliberate on matters pertaining to the LSK? It does not happen like that. I am a Member of the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Board and the Kenya Medical Association. These are professional associations that we sit on to do professional development. When we have continuous medical education, how would you want to have someone who is not part of you to be in the governing council? It does not work like that! I just want to stand with what Hon. Kaluma is saying. We will ask you to give a ruling on the constitutionality of the issue of public participation, but if it fails, then we will have it debated on the Second Reading and we kill it from there. Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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