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    "id": 1123885,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. (Eng.) Hargura",
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    "content": "given amount. Even MCAs do not have the benefit of knowing the programme and how that money is spent. The governor submits through the County Executive Committee (CEC) for Roads to KRB a list of the roads they intend to spend that money on. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I had asked a question and I got the KRB reports for 2017/ 2018 and 2018/2019 financial years. If you look at that list, you will find that they are evenly spread within the county. However, when you check the actual performance, you find that those roads are not done as per that list. It is here we can oversight this because it has bypassed the county assembly the way it was done as a line item. When KRB has done the technical and financial audit and have raised issues, where next will they take those reports? Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, where do they take that report? That is where Senate should come in and get the governors to explain why they are not following the arrangement and memoranda they have with Kenya Roads Board (KRB). In the other case of the main fund, I believe it comes to the National Assembly. That is where the relevant authorities, Kenya Rural Roads Authority (KeRRA), Kenya Urban Roads Authority (KURA) and Kenya National Highways Authority (KeNHA) can be held accountable. However, this one does not reach the end. Therefore, if KeRRA finds there are problems with it, so what? How will it hold the counties accountable? It is only through that report coming to this House and KeRRA submitting it here. That is the only way we can get to address this issue. However, they have already gone to court. They have seriously resisted to be brought here because that was a loophole in law, which they have been exploiting. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the county assembly is not oversighting it because they use it as a line item. They say the work plan is submitted to KRB. After that, if they do not follow the procedure then nobody holds them accountable. That is why the Senate Committee on Roads and Transportation deemed it fit to interrogate that fund and now they have gone to court. If that is the extent they can go, I do not know whether Sen. M. Kajwang’ will get the annual performance report from them. They will tell you very clearly that they are accountable to the county assembly and that is where it ends. If you can remember in the first Parliament, even having the audit reports come here for us to interrogate was a big issue. The governors went to court first. The court told them no, you have to be accountable. This one is a straightaway contested issue. I do not how we are going to go around it. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the other one is the County Leadership Forum (CLF). In the first Senate of the 11th Parliament, we had the Sen. Sang’ Bill which became an Act. It has something very similar to this. It was actually called the County Development Forum and the main contention in that one was that the Senator was the chairperson. That was where the main problem was. The governors went to court after we passed the Bill and then it was declared that we are interfering with the operations of the county executives and that is how it died. This is also another point of contention they have raised. The spirit is good because we need to know what each and every leader is doing. I can cite a few cases. For instance, in my own county the other day one of the County Executive Committee Members (CECMs) told me that when it comes to the"
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