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    "id": 1133651,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Limuru, JP",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. Peter Mwathi",
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        "legal_name": "Peter Mungai Mwathi",
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    "content": " Thank you Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. From the outset, I want to say I am not an advocate of the High Court or any other advocate anywhere. However, I will listen to the arguments from the lawyers and I have always seen cases that are conducted and argued by advocates where when one stands and you are almost convinced that they are winning. Moreover, when the reply comes, you again agree with that reply. I have listened to the other Members who have spoken. My very good friend, the Hon. Dr. Otiende Amollo almost convinced me that his route was the way to go. However, the provisions which have been quoted by the Hon. Kaluma and obviously extensively so - clause by clause, article-by-article in the Constitution - begs the question as to why the people who were against the continuation of this Bill will not also come with those articles quoted which I did not get. This is so that they convince those of us who are not lawyers not to debate. However, if the key critical rights that have been mentioned have not been violated – if indeed, at the Committee of the whole House we can amend any one of those clauses that makes the advocates feel offended; by virtue of my right, I am also a professional, I do not mind. If it is the advocates and the accountants who feel that they are the only ones who have been looked in, it only means that if we really have to save this country from proceeds of crime, money laundering and such, then all we need to do is simple. We include all professionals, if they are not there. I am very happy to be included there as an architect and planner. I will support that amendment. However, why do you want to say, and I am not sure that is the case... If it is only a mention of the lawyers and advocates, then it is quite unconstitutional. It is as if we cannot at the stage of the Committee of the whole House, amend the law to ensure that we are all obligated to report. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, if we have to save this country, and I have listened to arguments out there how money comes in... I am even hearing the revelations from Hon. Kaluma The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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