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    "id": 1133731,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr.) James Nyikal",
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        "legal_name": "James Nyikal",
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    "content": "Hon. Kaluma has indicated here how gravely our children and people have died, and that is money that comes to us through corrupt means. The main stay of all that damage to our society is the use of corruption proceeds. If people could steal money and get stranded with it and not know how to use it, it would not have that impact. I support this Bill because it makes provision for people who steal to stop them from enjoying the loot. This is desirable if we have to deal with corruption. It looks discriminatory because, as the lawyers have put it, why is it only for the lawyers and accountants? If it is necessary, let us amend it when it comes to the Committee of the whole House to involve all professionals who are regulated by law when it comes to handling money. I know about the client-advocate confidentiality but how do we measure that against public interest? Whose confidentiality are we talking about? Is it for the advocate or the thief who is using the law and is now being protected by the lawyer? In fact, they are abusing our lawyers. We should go ahead and protect our lawyers so that the thieves - as Hon. Kaluma was saying - if they have a canter of money, they should deal with it. They should not run to our lawyers and say they use the confidentiality between you and them to hide that money. It is hurting the country. So, public interest, in my view, will outweigh confidentiality. Even in medicine, we know that if there are communicable diseases and a patient has one, you are bound to report. You cannot hide it and say this is patient-doctor relationship and the disease is going to affect other people. There are times that these confidentialities are to be breached so that we protect public interest. If we do not pass this, this House cannot stand in public and say it is against corruption. With that, support this Bill."
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