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    "speaker_name": "Mr. ole Ntimama",
    "speaker_title": "The Minister of State for National Heritage and Culture",
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        "legal_name": "William Ronkorua ole Ntimama",
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    "content": " Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I did not even hear, but whom does the Member want me to mention, for example? If he can tell me one individual that he wants me to mention and give a chronology of how he has made his money, I will do so, but not otherwise. It is really unfortunate that some of these people what to become Presidents of this land because they have the loot. They know that our people are poor and they can be bribed. That is what is happening, especially as we see it now. If we really do not control corruption, we are doomed. I have said that all the corruption is found in the top hierarchy of this land. We must expose these people no matter who they are. It does not matter what positions they hold in this Government. It does not matter what positions they hold in the society. The public must be given the authority and encouraged to expose some of these people, so that we all know. The public knows. The other day, during the polls, we saw very well that they do not like corruption. About 82 per cent of them condemned corruption. A few people who condone corruption are part of the loot. They are part of the corruption and we know who they are. We should not spare anybody. We must be bold enough to expose whoever he is. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, lastly, I want to say one word about the constitution. Personally, I would like to have the draft Constitution passed in this House without any amendments. I would like to see that done because we have been fighting to get a constitution, not even for 20 years, but for 40 years. When people came back from Lancaster House, they had the Majimbo Constitution. Of course, the man who ruled this country then did not like anything majimbo. So, he went out and scuttled the whole constitution in 1964 and sent the regional assemblies home. He dispersed the Senate and became a single ruler. Even today, we have never had anything that we can call the law of the land. We have not had that for 40 years. The other day, we tried in Bomas. But when people started smelling federalism, they said no. Now, we have devolution. We have just changed the name just to make sure that it is acceptable. With those remarks, I beg to support."
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