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    "speaker_name": "Kwanza, FORD-K",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi",
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        "legal_name": "Ferdinard Kevin Wanyonyi",
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    "content": " Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am just weighing in. I have not had time to look at the document but it is coming out very clearly that the protection of the Executive by this House should stop. We actually are in charge. We oversee the Executive. The moment you give and take and just play around, then they will not take us seriously. I am surprised because I am told by the Mover that even somebody from the Ministry of Lands, apart from the CS herself, appeared before the Committee. I was not there. I am in the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock. Looking at this, we have to be very careful. We must have a precedent that is clear and this House must be seen to be actually in charge. Otherwise, people are not taking us seriously. The CS understands this. She has been there for quite some time. I have nothing personal. I only read about her. This is the time when we actually have to stand up and be counted. With due respect to the Leader of the Majority Party in this House, please we cannot protect anybody here. I respect him and respect that position. I think it will go to the extent of even having to sanction her or even have her moved to another ministry. I do not mind. However, once the Committee has sat and actually called whoever in the Executive and they discuss and come with that conclusion, we just have to carry out whatever this House has said. If there is any correction or amendment, then do it here. The Cabinet Secretary (CS) must adhere to what we say. The moment you give the benefit of doubt, the Executive will not take us seriously. That is what we hear out here. The Leader of the Majority Party is on the side of the Government. So, we must listen to them. This should not happen. From what I have heard from the two speakers, we have to sanction this particular CS. Let us be seen. It is not for nothing. I have been told that the title deeds were issued. So, what next? I do not know. The CS should not The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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