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    "content": "Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, with regard to deforestation, it is good that the Government is putting all its efforts, whether bad or good, to kick people out of our forests. I would suggest that any land that has a slope of over 10 per cent should not be cultivated. Instead, we should have forests on such sloppy land. That will give us a better environment; more rain and it will stop the degradation of our soil. Of course, it will create more wealth for us. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, because of the imperial President and abuse of power in this country by the leaders, public utility land was grabbed. Schools, research institutions, colleges, military facilities and Agricultural Development Corporation (ADC) lost land. The land was being given free of charge to the friends of the Presidents, Commissioner of Lands and Ministers. It was very unfortunate that those people were given free land and then sold it for millions. They are selfish Kenyans. This document we are debating today is addressing some of those problems. That is why I support it. But it has come a little bit too late. Otherwise, so much damage would not have been done. I do not think there was goodwill at that time but, today, we have it. We are using that goodwill to kick out the people who have invaded the forests. You cannot just come out of your house or farm and go to the forest, cut down trees, put up a dwelling there and claim that the President or whoever was in power had given you the authority. Can you imagine an individual owning 2,000 acres? What do you need the whole world for? What does one do with those 2,000 acres in the forest? When the Government is evicting people, you still shout that it is unfair. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is a management structure that has been proposed in this document. There is the National Land Commission, District Land Boards and the Community Land Boards. Those will address some of the problems that we have experienced before where, for example, anybody would wake up and give out land the way he wished. I also like the way it has been stated here, regarding how we shall get members to work in those institutions. At the districts, it has been indicated that there will be some elections. The people will decide who, among them, will help them in managing their land. The National Land Commission would be---"
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