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    "speaker_name": "Ugenya, MDG",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. David Ochieng’",
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    "content": "secure. We must ensure that the money is used for the right reasons. Corruption should not seep into monies meant to benefit our people. I have heard so many Members say that the President did not talk about corruption. I do not believe that barking and shouting at corruption makes it go away. The approach adopted by our President to ensure that institutions that are supposed to fight corruption are well-funded, well-resourced and well-equipped speaks for itself. I was in the last Parliament when the former President brought us a list of Principal Secretaries and Cabinet Secretaries who he claimed were corrupt. To date, none of them has ever been convicted by a court of law. I do not think we should ask our President to talk about corruption. We should ask those whom we have given that job to do by law. There is no law that requires the President to fight corruption. The law that was passed by the Assembly, and that which is set out in the Constitution, establishes the EACC as the body that fights corruption; not the President. We want the President to ensure that he does not try to stop any prosecutions or investigations. However, saying that the President must talk about, or fight corruption is quite weak. We have had guys who talked about corruption every day, saying that they would fight it and deal with it but people steal right under their noses, and they do not talk about it. The approach by the President to nurture institutions is the best. On this issue, I insist that the DCI, EACC and our courts are to blame. As an Assembly, we must ensure that we put them on their toes, not the President. Corruption seeps everywhere in this country, including in nursery and primary schools. There is corruption everywhere you go. I do not think the President has a thousand eyes to check how we live. In my opinion, fighting corruption requires a concerted effort. We must all play a role. We should not just say corruption is bad and when you are found to be corrupt, you say it is a witch-hunt. We must put the blame where it lies. The President proposed a very good housing project. All we need to do as an Assembly is to ensure that if a house is being built in Kisumu, the doors are bought in Kisumu. If you are building houses in Kakamega, let the doors, hinges and windows be produced in Kakamega. Finally, Hon. Deputy Speaker, this President means well. We cannot pray that he fails. If he fails, we fail. I ask all of us here, both the Majority and the Minority sides, to pray for this President to succeed. Let us help him succeed for if he succeeds, we succeed; and the country succeeds. Thank you so much."
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