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    "id": 1202795,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. M. Kajwang’",
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        "legal_name": "Moses Otieno Kajwang'",
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    "content": "I also bring my experience in the last Senate. I am perhaps the only Senator who was fortunate to chair two Committees; that is the County Public Accounts and Investments (CPAIC) and the Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations Committees. There was impunity in the Executive. As a Chairperson of a Committee, you could never get the CSs to appear before the Committees. That impunity was entrenched by the leadership of the House that shielded them. You would find people going on retreats with the Matiang’i led National Development Implementation and Communication Committee (NDICC) and the leadership of the Senate and agree in hotels. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you would find a situation where a Committee summons a CS and he/she goes to the Speaker’s Office to negotiate whether he/she should appear or not. The matter as raised by Sen. Omogeni is clear in the Constitution. On the matter raised by the Senator for Kakamega County, when the Mace is lowered, we can go into a Committee of the Whole and a member of the Executive can come to this House and be grilled. The only thing we cannot do without a constitutional amendment is to bring members of the Executive in this House when the Mace is on the Table. That requires a constitutional amendment. What the President wants to achieve is possible if he talks to his CSs to desist from impunity. What encourages me is the fact that Sen. Murkomen, who has sat in this House, will be a Cabinet Secretary. I do not expect us to drag him to appear before us. Sen. Soipan Tuya, Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki Kithure and Sen. Linturi have also been to this House. We might be having one of the best executive teams. On this matter, we do not have to caucus into the majority or minority side. The provisions are there and what we need to deal with is the impunity that we saw in the last administration."
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