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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mungatana, MGH",
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    "content": "they ask him what happened and he says they passed it, but there is no action as the people had said. With the passing of this Bill, this is going to be a thing of the past. I thank Sen. Wamatinga. When he contributed, he made it clear that we need a 360-degree reporting mechanism, so that when we come here and debate on issues, we are not doing so for the sake of it. We are not a House of talk. We are passing resolutions that are binding and Government officers are going to take us seriously. I am grateful for Hon. Sen. Wamatinga’s observations and support. I thank Sen. Wakoli. He stated that in this country, and not just Kenya, but Africa, people have a problem of following rules and regulations. It is important for us to put consequences. It was not lost to mean that in the Second Reading of this Bill, there was a proposal to make the consequences of failure to comply with resolutions even stricter than what we have proposed in the Bill. We have proposed Kshs500,000 fine as a punishment. In the alternative, we have proposed a six-month jail term for the officers responsible for not obeying the resolutions of this House or given them effect. It has been proposed in the House that we should go as far as three years and Kshs3 million. It was stated in the Second Reading debate that if you charge a Cabinet Secretary (CS) with Kshs500,000 fine for being guilty, it is a small change for them and they may not take it seriously. I will take those observations. During the Third Reading, we shall make appropriate amendments that I believe will have the support of the House. I also want to thank the Hon. Sen. Mandago. In his contributions, he made a very important contribution on this Floor. He said that in his previous service, people used to bring very important resolutions in the county assembly, where he had the chance to serve as Chief Executive Officer (CEO). As Governor, he marked the resolutions to the relevant departments, yet they did not effect the resolutions of the people through the Members of County Assembly (MCAs), who have been elected to pass resolutions and reflect what the people on the ground want. He has said that we should find a way that this Bill can also have effect in the county assembly. I am grateful for that suggestion. We will find a way, in the Third Reading to bring appropriate amendments. If the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights sees them proper, we shall process them to see how we can capture and make them effective throughout the Republic and in all county assemblies, so that the resolutions of the MCAs can be taken seriously. We have bad experiences. We have governors who do not respect our Members of County Assembly (MCAs). When they make resolutions, when they talk the language of the people, these governors tend to hide and try to find a way to get away from the resolutions of the county assemblies. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we have had resolutions in county assemblies where a county assembly sits down and decides to pass a resolution to remove a County Executive Committee Member (CECM). That Member is then supposed to be sacked, but if he was serving in health, you find that he is taken to public service. The governor decides that he is not going to sack that MCA for whatever reason. He removes him or her from the docket that he or she is currently serving and takes them to another place and, therefore, defeating the purpose for which the county assembly has taken time to express the opinion of the people of the county."
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