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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Cheptumo",
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        "legal_name": "Cheptumo William Kipkiror",
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    "content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to support the Statement by Sen. Osotsi on the issue of de-gazettement. If you listened to Members who spoke to this Statement, it seems as if this is a challenge facing almost every county. In fact, all the Members who spoke to this Statement have very specific issues and concerns in their counties. I would like to agree with the Members who said that there is need for the Committee to look into it more holistically. I heard Sen. Onyonka requesting the Senate Majority Leader to speak to the President about this issue. That is not the way to go. There is normal procedure. These are matters that this House can take up in our counties, they go to the Ministry in-charge, a Cabinet Memorandum is done, the Cabinet approves and then it now comes to the House for adoption or approval. I agree. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for example, we have several schools and institutions in Baringo which are actually built in those areas that are gazetted as forests. Practically, those are acres of land with schools, colleges and so on. However, when you go to the Ministry of Environment and Forestry, you discover that they are gazetted as forests. It is important that we de-gazette these areas and be able to issue title deeds to these institutions. It is a critical issue which we need to do. Some schools, or colleges which occupy those areas, need to get title deeds. This is because all the time, they receive threats from the rangers of the Ministry of Environment and Forestry. When we are talking about planting 15 billion trees, it is high time we did so even where we have schools, but not as gazetted forests. As I conclude, there are areas which are not gazetted. They have been de- gazetted, given to institutions and the original owners of those particular lands have not been compensated. The understanding between the Government then, and the occupants of those areas, is that they were to be given land elsewhere. Those days, it was interesting because you would find a politician from a certain area would be given a list of people to be allocated land, but the then Member of Parliament (MP) or CS takes the whole portion of that land. Those people who had been promised that they will be compensated and allocated land, are now all over the place, suffering in their homes and so on. They are the so called the right holders. In a place such as Saimo Location of Baringo North in Baringo County, many fellows were displaced. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am a Member of this Committee. I agree that there is need for the Committee to do a lot in terms of ensuring that we not only look into Sen."
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