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    "id": 1256829,
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    "speaker_name": "Kikuyu, UDA",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah",
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    "content": "The Leader of the Minority Party has said that we do not need the concurrence of the National Treasury. To an extent, I agree with him. We are not under the direction of the National Treasury at all. However, I want to confirm that in line with the provisions of Article 114 of the Constitution, the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning engaged them. Even after the HBC meeting this morning, I was in a meeting with the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning Committee and a whole delegation from the National Treasury to consider all the amendments that have been proposed by the Committee. There are some amendments that had been proposed by the Committee which were withdrawn after consultation with the National Treasury. If you go through the Supplementary Order Paper, you will see the amendments by the Member for Homa Bay Town, Hon. Kaluma, that were allowed to be moved after that consultation. The amendments by Hon. Oundo, Hon. Naisula who is seated right at the back, Hon. Mbui, Hon. Oluoch and Hon. Mule were allowed to be moved. There are myriad of amendments that were allowed to be moved after that consultation. That is why I said it was not very accurate to say that there were those that were condemned unheard. Hon. Speaker, there is a question on public participation. In the history of legislative processes in this country since the enactment of the new Constitution, no other Bill—even the infamous Political Parties Bill which we took through winnowing— had a more rigorous public participation exercise than this Finance Bill. I must commend the Chair and Members of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning from both sides of the political divide. I know there are diligent Members of this Committee in Azimio la Umoja-One Kenya Coalition who sat through the public participation. There are also many Members within the Kenya Kwanza Coalition who sat for long hours through public participation. For the first time, I have seen Members of Parliament, as Hon. Junet said, not only sitting up to midnight but also on Sundays. At one point, may the Lord forgive me, I was watching a public participation exercise, when I was seated in church somewhere. These Members of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning devoted a lot of their time to this public participation. Therefore, the question on public participation is something that has been covered. Hon. Speaker, there are other amendments. I will draw reference to some amendments I have seen here by Hon. Makali Mulu. Some seek to delete particular clauses. Other than being subjected to the provisions of Article 114 of the Constitution, if you are seeking to delete a provision in a Bill, the easiest way is to vote against it in the Bill. Therefore, you have been accorded the opportunity, since the provision is still in the particular clause. For instance, there are those that Hon. Makali Mulu seeks to delete. When we go to the Committee of the whole The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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