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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr.) James Nyikal",
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    "content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am ready for this. I rise to support Hon. Atandi’s amendments and the whole Report. Many of our Reports end at corporate level and, therefore, actual individuals do not take responsibility. This is part of the corruption. As you are saying, these are very smart people and corruption in this country has taken to another level — that of perfect collusion. All the institutions and people you put in place are part of it and they cleverly make sure that nobody has direct responsibility; it all remains at the corporate level and they cleverly protect themselves with loopholes within the law. The private sector is leading in this matter. For a long time in this country, we have not been successful in the fight against corruption because we have concentrated in the public sector and left the real root cause of corruption, which is the private sector. These are the people who design all the scandals and the public sector is a player in cleverly designed schemes. In this situation where everybody is involved, it is very hard to put individuals to task. Many reports will find the responsibility at corporate level, and these people are smart enough and they want to be left at corporate level. Even in our laws, many provisions actually leave responsibility at corporate level and not the actual people involved. Therefore, we have reached a level where responsibility must go beyond the corporate level to individuals. At corporate level, in a case like this, we go to receiver managers. What do the receiver managers do? They sell whatever little is left at the corporation and that is what we distribute, and normally it is meagre. It is all designed that nothing can be sold, so that the people who are affected can get their money back. They smile all the way to the bank because whatever is sold is so little. It is distributed to people. The matter ends and the people who took money — the real wealth — enjoy it. I think we have reached a point in this country that we must lift this corporate veil and go for the faces that are behind the scandals. I support Hon. Atandi’s amendment because it is calling for our institutions to go beyond the corporate level and go for individuals and do it legally. We have the laws and capacity to do that and especially find out... It should not be made to look like it is going for a particular person. Although one person has been mentioned, I know there are many people involved. If the appropriate institutions go into details, more people will be found and will be held accountable. Those people have property that can be sold and people who are affected can be paid back. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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