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    "id": 1300110,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mungatana, MGH",
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    "content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, let me finish what I am saying and then I address myself. The point of the matter is that Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has misinformed this House that, that Pastor was out on bail. We had the lawyers. That person had been held by police, but there are no charges that have been presented. These are the facts. It would be good not to anticipate debate. Wait for the report. It will be presented here on Thursday. However, to address that particular issue that we were supposed to follow procedure, we did and asked the Clerk of our Committee. We also communicated to the Clerk of the Senate. The timings were restrictive, but there was information that was required. The Committee had said that before we sign any report, there were some critical witnesses it must listen to, including Paul Mackenzie. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we served those summons and asked him to come and it will be in that report. At the beginning, there was obstruction. However, later on, Shimo la Tewa Prison and I thank the officer who is there, made arrangements for him to be available. However, the Inspector General (IP) of Prisons because of security arrangements that were needed and given the fact that Paul Mackenzie is a high profile prisoner, asked for more time. The lawyers also asked for more time. That is why we were unable to reach him. That is why even yesterday, the team was ready again to travel at their own expense and then come back and make claims. This is how we have covered it. We did not have the clerks for the reason that, at the time of going, they could not raise funds. However, we made sure that everything was captured and put on record. This is what we did. As the Chairman and for the Members who attended, I gave a report of what we observed from the meetings of the witnesses, how we got invitations and everything. The Members of the Senate Committee who accompanied the Chairman also gave their observations. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the things we saw at the DCI are going to change the way this country thinks. We have been placing the wrong blame on the wrong people. There are people who have messed up this country and it is not the DCI. I will conclude by saying that tomorrow we shall file that report and I take responsibility for going out of my way with the support of my Committee to do more. If this Committee was added more time, the one person we wanted to meet, but because of logistical issues we could not meet, was Paul Mackenzie. However, we have already had one extension and it is difficult for us. We agreed that we cannot be given another extension because of budgetary constraints. Mr. Speaker, Sir, what we have, especially from the last witnesses and what we saw and the information we have collected, Kenyans will be proud of the work we have"
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