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    "id": 1317586,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Prof. Kithure Kindiki",
    "speaker_title": "The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration",
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        "legal_name": "Kithure Kindiki",
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    "content": "I believe through the police reforms for which we are about to receive the final report, we are going to clean up all the national security agencies and make it impossible for people wearing the country uniform to be participants in crime. Even if it means re-establishing the agencies afresh, reforming them and dealing with succession management and leadership, so that not anyone becomes a commander or a leader, we will do it. So, there is a solution lying somewhere between a review of the system and bringing together the convergence of intelligence which involves information, technology and values. Hon. Speaker, the Member for Runyenjes has talked about the problem in Runyenjes. I am aware of that problem. I have heard from you. The Woman Representative for Embu County has also brought me clips of some of these transgressions. We are working on a programme to make sure that we reach out to the communities there, through enforcement and by talking to our children and bring them back from the vagaries of blatant abuse of drugs in the open as it is very common now in that area. I am aware of that problem. I have even shared that with the Woman Representative for Embu County. The problem is in Runyenjes, parts of Mbeere North and neighbouring areas like Igambang’ombe. Hon. Sabina Chege has raised the issue about Velo. I believe that the Ministry of Health is working on a programme that will help us classify Velo so that we can move to enforcement mechanisms. I agree with Hon. Chege that a proper reward and punishment programme for officers who either do well or do badly can be a big motivator. I am saying this from my experience in the last one year as the Cabinet Secretary responsible for security. Although there are officers who may not have done a good job in terms of projecting the image of our police and other agencies properly, there are a number of very patriotic, honest and hardworking officers. Many of them go unnoticed for the sacrifices they make and the extent to which they go, with high levels of honesty. Therefore, a reward and punishment programme can help us motivate good officers and embarrass the bad ones, even as we reform our agencies. I want to talk about the issue of jurisdiction, which has been raised by the Member for Soy. It is true that different police commanders have jurisdictional limits for purposes of coordination, command, control and accountability. However, the policy of the National Police Service, and that of policing is that a police officer of the Republic of Kenya is a police officer of Kenya."
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