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    "content": "the Committee, but was requested by the Cabinet Secretary for Health, Hon. Nakumicha, not to appear on the basis that investigations were on going. Additionally, Dr. Oduor told the Committee that he was informed that the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration, Hon. (Prof.) Kithure Kindiki, would appear before the Committee in his place. He explained his absence before the Committee and pleaded that the Committee vacate the resolution to impose a fine upon him. The Committee deliberated on this matter and resolved to reprimand Dr. Oduor for failing to appear before the Committee. It should be noted by all persons that summons before a parliamentary committee is a serious matter. Any persons summoned to appear before a Parliamentary committee should appear, any reservations notwithstanding. However, we felt very strongly that Dr. Oduor was in a difficult place. Was he to obey the Cabinet Secretary or come before the Committee? We saw the problem he had and that he is a longstanding doctor who has served this country diligently. He explained himself that it was other factors rather than his willingness to obey the summons from the Senate that prevented him from coming. He was always ready to present himself. Madam Temporary Speaker, we then vacated the decision to fine Kshs500,000 against this hardworking civil servant. We also faced another challenge of not interviewing Mr. Paul Mackenzie himself. We issued summons on 7th October, 2023 for him to appear on 13th October to answer to, and among other things, his beliefs and ideology and how he run the Good News International Ministry. We wanted him to tell us about the circumstances that led to the death of the followers of his Ministry at the time. We wanted him to tell us about his association with an entity known as a “Voice in The Desert” from Australia. We also wanted the effect of the ideology or thinking that the “Voice in the Desert” Ministry in Australia had on him. We wanted to know the sources of funding for the Good News International Ministry. However, the first time, the process server was obstructed by the officer in charge at Shimo La Tewa from effecting the summons on the basis that the summons could only be effected through approval of the Director General (DG) of Prisons. We stated that, that was an unknown process in law. On 13th October we resolved to issue a second summon for Paul Mackenzie to be presented before the Committee on the 17th October. We also said that the second summons should be accompanied by a warning letter to the officer in charge of Shimo La Tewa prison, informing him of the consequences of obstructing service of summons, pursuant to Section 27(3)(a) and 27(4) of the Parliamentary Powers and Privileges Act, 2017. After we gave this notice, the officer in charge of Shimo la Tewa prison decided to comply with the summons of the Senate. The summons was served to Mr. Paul Mackenzie. If you are a Government officer and have been served with the summons, the consequences of failing to answer the Senate summons and make the appearance will be personal to you and not your boss. The summons is not addressed to your boss, but to you. If you are served and do not appear, you will suffer the consequences of the law. It is better to appear before the Committee and say what you know or state that you have"
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