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    "speaker_name": "Prof. Kithure Kindiki",
    "speaker_title": "The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration",
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    "content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. With regard to the issue of engaging communities in the fight against terror, we are in complete agreement with the sentiments by the Member for Garissa. I think going forward, beginning with what we were doing in Lamu yesterday, we want to foster ownership of the fight against sophisticated crime within communities. We want to anchor this and built trust among the various communities in whatever locality and also between communities and security agencies so that we can win this war. On the question of extrajudicial killings, the policy of Kenya Kwanza administration is zero tolerance for these killings. Therefore, not even the fight against terror, or other sophisticated crime can be an excuse for extrajudicial executions. I have received some complaints in line with what the Member has said and I have already referred them to the relevant policing authorities. I can assure you that this Government does not condone the use of security apparatus of the State to kill people or execute Kenyans outside the law. That is why we refer to this as extrajudicial killings meaning there are judicial ways of removing people from the world. These killings are unlawful, and we do not tolerate them at all. We have already mapped out counties with regard to counter-terrorism county plans. About 19 counties have adopted such measures spearheaded by the National Centre on Counter-terrorism. We want to make communities and local leaders own those strategy plans and programmes so that we just support them as a way of making sure that they are sustainably processed. On the question of boundaries, about 34 or thereabout counties in this country have some discussions about beacons between one county and another. That discussion is not new. It is very old and not unique to Kenya. Boundaries even among nations are always points for discussion world over. Therefore, the fact that about more than half or maybe three quarters of counties in Kenya have issues around where they think boundaries with the other should be is not unique. Also, the emotive nature of boundaries and beacons makes it difficult to have an instant solution. Most discussions and conflict resolutions around boundaries takes a bit of time The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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