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    "id": 1361656,
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    "speaker_name": "Mr. Elisha Ongoya",
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    "content": "had given before you to the county assembly. Fortunately, this House is a House of records. Fortunately, you have fantastic rules of procedure that we can make better as we have seen. I will recommend and I hope time will permit, that we relook at the timelines for the impeachment of governors if we have to do absolute justice on filings and arguments of the case. These are reform issues because we are in continuous improvement as a society. However, putting all factors on the scale, we have done well in presenting some records before this House. When you retire and before you vote tonight, I invite every Senator to open volume four of the County Assembly’s documents and turn specifically to page 146 and look at the conversation that is taking place there. This is the HANSARD of the County Assembly of Meru on 25th October 2023. If you turn with me on page 146, you will see this conversation. Elias Mutuma Advocate for the Governor says: “Mine will be brief, but I will not proceed until we are given a ruling on the two issues raised by my seniors. We seek direction on how to table the evidence that we have and how we will get a ruling on the public on public participation. The Governor is pleading to be given a chance to table her evidence.” Hon. Ayub Bundi says: ‘When your brother Omari was speaking, he mentioned a difference between Hon. Members and your team.’ He stated that he knows the division in this House and he cannot step on the other side. Anything you would like to table in this House must go to the House Business Committee (HBC). You cannot do it when you are on that side. You must be on the side where the Members are. I was wondering, Mr. Speaker, Sir, how was Mr. Mutuma possibly supposed to get to the side where the Members are? Was he supposed to organise a mini-election in Meru County, and become elected as the Senator for the temporary purpose of participating in these proceedings? I do not know. I am a career learner and I learn every day. It is only allowed for Hon. Members. We are being told that only hon. Members are allowed to table evidence. You are not allowed to table evidence. We are going to make a reference to the HANSARD system because everything that you talk about is being captured. You can proceed as the Speaker. We do not begrudge him. He had the power to make a ruling just as you have powers to make rulings here. Did he use that power correctly? That is the question I pose to the conscience of the men and women bestowed with the arduous responsibility of protecting devolved governance in this country, sitting in this House as distinguished Senators. The conversation continues with Elias Mutuma, an Advocate for the Governor making an argument- “My understanding, therefore, is that we will not lay the evidence that we have.’ The Speaker answers him- “How will you table it Mr. Mutuma?” Mutuma is asking him, you are the presiding officer in this House, guide me on how to table. Mr. Mutuma is being challenged, ‘How will you do it? You are not an MCA’. That is why MCAs entered through the main door and you entered through the back door. This was no longer differentiation, but apartheid. It was discrimination on the basis of the door you entered through."
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