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    "speaker_name": "Mr. Orengo",
    "speaker_title": "The Minister for Lands",
    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Aggrey James Orengo",
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    "content": " On a point of order, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I think you need to give us some direction. Normally, in any title deed, if there is a deed plan, there are what are called abuttal which would tell you where that piece of land is. It is important for the Chair to determine if the title deeds are genuine. I am not trying to say that they are not genuine. However, it is important to determine in terms of the abuttals contained in the deed plan where exactly those pieces of land lie. It will be very bad for this forum to be used in name calling on a matter which we are not sure exactly where that piece of land lies. From the information that I have, it may not be related to the issue that we are discussing at the moment. If it is within the area that we are discussing, then the Member may have the liberty to proceed and give that information to the House. But it will be wrong to use this Motion for purposes totally unrelated to bring names. When somebody wants to present a document to the House as a source of information, the practice that I was used to is that you make that document available to the Speaker in advance, so that you do not use the well of this Chamber as a basis of name calling when the facts are not correct. I think that is very good practice and it should be continued. At this rate, we can begin to call names all over and use the Floor of this House as a platform for finding fault with everybody. By the way, hon. Waititu, if we begin to talk about land in Nairobi, you should be the last person to talk about land in Nairobi. I am telling you. So, let us present facts as they are. But if you begin to name call when facts are convenient; then you use them in one direction and hide them when they are inconvenient; that would not be right."
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