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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Kikuyu, UDA",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah",
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    "content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I agree with the Leader of the Minority Party to a large extent. There is no doubt that this Bill concerns counties. The courts have already held that before the First Reading, there is no need for concurrence on whether a Bill concerns counties or not. It is up to you, the Speakers of the National Assembly and the Senate, to agree between yourselves on whether a Bill concerns counties and it will go to the Senate and one from the Senate will need to come to the National Assembly. Therefore, I believe the two offices of the Speakers must have consulted and you will guide us. However, the import of what was in the Memorandum of Objects and Reasons was largely informed by what is in the text of the Objects as Hon. Opiyo was reading on page 2133 on the broader policy framework and the money Bill aspect. As the Joint Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning and the Departmental Committee on Housing and Urban Planning and Public Works engaged with stakeholders, it became clear that there are certain aspects of the Bill that will require it to go to the Senate. I am certain that the Leader of the Majority Party in the Senate is already waiting for us to do justice to this proposal and it will go to them eventually when you and the Speaker of the Senate do agree. Therefore, I would like to beg that we still go ahead and do what we ought to be doing now, which is debating. Some of the issues I have heard Hon. Opiyo speak to are issues that he should be speaking to during the debate. We are just pre-empting debate before we move. Allow me to move the Bill then we will have all the time today and tomorrow, if we want to sit, Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning and afternoon, to debate all these issues. I, therefore, beg your indulgence that you allow me to move the Bill and call a seconder to second. Then we will open debate on all those issues that we want to debate, including whether this Bill will enable us to build houses in all the counties we went to for public participation."
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