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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Mr. Muthama",
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        "legal_name": "Johnson Nduya Muthama",
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    "content": "Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also rise to support the Motion as amended. I want to start my contribution by entirely agreeing with the sentiments Mrs. Shabesh has made that “small” people do not have rights to ownership of land in this country. It is true that the only people who are considered when it comes to land issuance are “big” people. These are people who own over 20,000 acres of land. None of the pieces of land that are owned by “big” people have ever been invaded by squatters. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also agree with Mr. Mbadi that the current Minister for Lands is a reformist who is very committed to land reforms. If land reforms will not be achieved during the tenure of Mr. Orengo as the Minister for Lands, then they will never be achieved. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is not the lease or an Act that is written on a piece of paper that will guarantee the ownership of land in this country. I want to tell my colleagues here that it is very important for us to obey the law in this country. If a farmer holds a 99 years leasehold title for a 5, 10, 20 or 30 acre piece of land and the law does not protect his ownership of that land, whatever reforms that we will bring in will be a waste of time. Today, we have farmers who have title deeds which have been sanctioned by the Minister for Lands and signed by the Commissioner of Lands and yet, they do not own those pieces of land. Those people worked hard and bought those pieces of land. Those people were forcefully evicted from their rightful pieces of land. That crime has been committed by Kenyans against their brothers and yet, we have a law in place that protects private ownership. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, if I evict one of my colleagues here from his plot in Nairobi and occupy it because he is from Western Kenya or Coast and thus a “foreigner”, we will not achieve any reforms. I want to urge my colleagues to obey the law that is in place. We should go back to the people that we represent and tell them that the laws about land must be respected first, even before we change them. We have the Ndung’u Report, which is still pending. That report has given the Government the"
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