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    "id": 1381793,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mungatana, MGH",
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    "content": "There are some counties whose boundaries have been done so well. However, in some places, they casually talk about a river or hill somewhere. Hills change. We should not think like they used to do during those old days. This particular provision should have a clear scientific demarcation of boundaries using modern technology. It will help if our own county surveyors are involved in the process of demarcation. If surveyors from Nairobi go there, they will want to follow the course of the river. However, if the river used to have a certain course earlier on, local surveyors and the local people will show them the original course of the river and ask them not to go left or right. It will be useful to add substance where it is stated that the Cabinet Secretary will keep electronic records. We should enrich that provision by requiring that there must be a process where county surveyors are involved in the national survey to demarcate the boundaries clearly and ensure it is electronic and standardized, so that we clearly know the demarcations or points that define the counties as they are. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, attacks and suggestions have been made. People have asked why we always go for lawyers. For example, we are saying that a person to chair the mediation committee should be a lawyer. As an advocate, I have nothing against a mathematics professor or doctor of medicine sitting on the mediation committee. However, we have to accept that the business of lawyers is wide. They deal with a wide range of disputes that arise because that is what we are trained in. When you put a lawyer there to make a decision, you will have put a person in their space. If you take a doctor who has been running a clinic for the past 20 years and tell them to mediate on a boundary dispute--- I have a brother who is a doctor and sometimes we talk. I once asked him whether he would consider public service and he said that he would never want to deal with crowds like I do. He said he prefers dealing with someone one on one and not crowds. He prefers testing blood samples in the laboratory in order to get results that will enable him treat patients. Many people with a medical background, perhaps with the exception of people like Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, think in a straight line. Many scientific-oriented people think in a straight line. If you are using the base of 10, then one plus one is two, unless you change the base. When we say an advocate of the High Court should chair the committee, I do not think we should make it a big issue. When we say members of the Law Society of Kenya (LSK) should be nominated to these boards, it is because they are helpful. I do not want us to prejudice our profession because it has seen its good and bad days. It was not research scientists who were out in the streets during the dark days of oppression. They were lawyers who were receiving problems from everybody and went ahead to make change. This country became better because of the contribution that people did. I want to emphasise that we must come up with powers allocated to the mediation committee. We should ask ourselves what it will mediate on, what kind of disputes it can mediate and the kind of powers it has for it to make resolutions on disputes before it. Are The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard Services, Senate."
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