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    "id": 1382099,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mungatana, MGH",
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    "content": "The kind of effort and energy being put towards the candidature of one person is not the kind of effort and energy that we are seeing in the region to eliminate the things that affect normal people like cattle rustling. Madam Temporary Speaker, if Presidents can meet to discuss the candidature of one person, which is very important, I do not see why Presidents cannot meet to discuss the issue of the protocol. This protocol has been there since 2008. They will meet to discuss climate change and the normal East African region issues. The East African Legislative Assembly (EALA) is in session here in Nairobi. However, cattle rustling is not an issue. Why? Because it has not been given the kind of weight that it is supposed to be given. Even if Kenya does that alone, we will not eliminate cattle rustling because these people will just cross the border. The real bandits are heavily supported in terms of arms and cash and they will just cross over. Once they cross over, our Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration, Inspector General of Police (IPG) and the Army have no jurisdiction on the other side. All they do is to wait for a while. Once our security forces retreat, they come back and do the same thing. Madam Temporary Speaker, I would like to emphasise one point. The Protocol on the Prevention, Combating and Eradication of Cattle Rustling in Eastern Africa must be signed and ratified. In fact, from the records of the East African Police Chiefs Cooperation Organisation (EAPCCO), it is only Uganda that has ratified this protocol. What is happening for Kenya, yet we are badly affected? Why not ratify it? I hope that the Prime Cabinet Secretary, who is in charge of Foreign and Diaspora Affairs, is listening to this debate because our people are suffering. If Uganda is willing to do it, why not Kenya? This protocol will enhance regional co-operation. It is will also harmonise the legislations around that space. We need to have a law that will be effective in Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania and Ethiopia. The East African Legislative Assembly (EALA) needs to have a law, protocol or treaty that can mean equal force. If we say we are mobilising people against bandits on the side of Kenya, and the other Ministers for Internal Security do the same in Uganda, South Sudan and Ethiopia, these people will be cornered. There will be no opportunity for them to escape. We can deal with this matter if we harmonise the co-operation in dealing with cattle rustling. Madam Temporary Speaker, legislation harmonisation will also help to deal with this matter. In identifying livestock, we need to use technology. If we can identify using technology, for example, the animals from Kenya that may have been taken to the other side, and there is a treaty or protocol that exists between these countries, then we will deal with this matter in a holistic fashion. We must make it very painful for those people who benefit from the proceeds. In the United States of America (USA), people who are involved in terrorism or are suspected to be involved in illegal trade, have their assets and illicit profits frozen. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard Services, Senate."
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