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    "id": 1382458,
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    "speaker_name": "Nakuru Town East, UDA",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. David Gikaria",
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    "content": " The National Treasury also opposed this Bill. Their basis was that it talks about revenue sharing at 60 per cent for the National Government and 40 per cent for the counties and this was inconsiderate. The Bill is clamping everything together without taking into consideration the wealth of resource or time taken for them to be available for sharing and so many other aspects. One of the issues was that there is no way we can compare sand harvesting to gold harvesting and say if one harvests gold, they get… The Ministry of Energy and Petroleum also said for example, if Turkana oil got to the development stage, then Turkana County would be getting around Ksh100 billion out of the 40 per cent allocation from the petroleum product. Currently, they are getting around Ksh20 billion from the county allocation. That is why the National Treasury and the Ministry of Mining, Blue Economy and Maritime Affairs also objected. The State Department for Energy also opposed resource sharing of geothermal and solar energy. For example, in Garissa, we have a very big solar energy plant that produces about 50 megawatts per day. That State Department was against resource-sharing being capped at a certain percentage. They wanted each ministry to continue getting resources as indicated in their Acts. The State Department for Petroleum and State Department for Wildlife also objected to the Bill. The Council of Governors (CoG), Kenya Private Sector Alliance (KEPSA), Kenya Wildlife Conservancies Association (KWCA), North Eastern Conservancies Association (NECA), Kenya Oil and Gas Working Group (KOGWG), Nature Kenya and Samburu Women Trust also came before the Committee. Sometimes, Parliament is accused of not doing public participation. Samburu Women Trust group came before the Committee and gave us some very weighty issues. They supported the Natural Resources (Benefit Sharing) Bill because for example, the Samburu community will get value for their resources. So, the Samburu Women Trust supported but their concern was that if 40 per cent is sent to the counties, it may not trickle down to the community. Again, this is what the Bill does not talk about. So, the Samburu Women Trust said they wanted a bigger share to go to the community. At the end of the day, assuming that you are doing quarrying, the gaping quarry holes that are left will affect the community in terms of practising agriculture like livestock rearing and so many other agricultural aspects. Maybe, when it rains, you end up with a dam that causes death through drowning people and things like that. So, they supported. We had Peace Net Kenya, Paran Conservation International and Centre of Minority Rights Development, which is a very important group that appeared before us and said they supported it because they do not want to have resources that only benefit people at the national level with no trickle-down effect to the county Another thing that came up when the Council of Governors (CoG) appeared before us is that, some resources are shared and yet, their source is unknown. Take geothermal, for example. Geothermal is a steam that comes from underground. It is based in Nakuru County but the steam comes from Narok County. How then does the benefit go to Nakuru County without considering Narok? It could even have come from another county. So, those are some of the issues that came out on that material day from the groups that appeared before us, including the Electricity Sector Association of Kenya. Lastly, there was Wildlife Works. This touches on migration of animals and tourism. There is so much money that is brought by tourists. They said that the animals move from one county to the other. Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Committee noted various comments in support of or against the provisions of the Bill, as I have already indicated. The Bill has 43 Clauses and seeks The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor"
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