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"speaker_name": "Mr. Katwa Kigen",
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"content": "Therefore, we have factually responded to all the things that Mr. Nyagaka has raised. Our main defense is that these are not issues we are responsible for. It is more of in the hands of the Chief Executive, the Governor himself; the question of a budget that had been passed by the County Assembly having been manipulated and changed after the County Assembly had passed it. The issue of the Kisii County budget not having been utilized for the last over 18 months; the issue of the Deputy Governor’s wife being the one who is actually in charge of the county; all those issues are accusations against the Governor, and we had to respond to them. Mr. Speaker, Sir and hon. Members of the Senate, when you go back to reflect on whether you will expunge these paragraphs from paragraph 48, we request that you keep a clear mind about the dichotomy of this issue. If the reason for wanting to expunge is that it was not part of the case at the County Assembly, then that is wrong on the face of it. This is because it was part of the case. They went for public participation, we were served with this document. So, we had to come and respond to it. However, if their argument is that it is not part of the five grounds that Hon. Siocha moved when he was seeking impeachment before, then he asked for public participation, then that is a different issue. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we pray that you please do not expand them merely because, or rather on the ground that it was not part of the case at the County Assembly. It indeed was part of the case at the County Assembly, and you will see it on the face of the documents. You have been asked to remove those documents because they are not relevant. I would like to submit to you, hon. Senators and Mr. Speaker, Sir, that the question of whether those are relevant or not belongs to you. It does not belong to the judgment of the Assembly. It is not the Assembly that says, “We went for public participation. We enjoyed the part where they say, ‘remove the County Deputy Governor because he disrespects the wife of the Governor and he has taken a bribe. We do not we want this, but we want this.’ It is not for them to choose what should eventually come to you. It is for you to determine whether or not they are relevant. I insist that you retain paragraph 48 to the last and determine, at the end of the whole process, whether they are relevant or not. Nobody should take away your--- If I were in court, I would say, your jurisdiction to determine the relevance of that and to apply it in the question of whether or not you agree with the Motion for Impeachment. My colleague was very specific; he says that, for instance, at paragraph 61, there is a reference to the wife and to the Governor, and that those people are not here to defend themselves. We are saying that, that is not the correct position. We are not here to determine the status, the faith, and the situation of the Governor and his wife. We are here merely to defend ourselves. We received a notice from Mr. Benson telling us, that for these grounds, the Governor should additionally be impeached. We just come here to say, no, you should not impeach us for that reason because these are our reasons. If it were to be then the case, that in our defense we are saying that it is not the Deputy Governor who is responsible for the changes in the budget and for non-use of the The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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