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    "id": 1402661,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. Thang’wa",
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    "content": "In Baringo County, MCAs threatened to impeach a CECM because he had not shaved his beard. In Kirinyaga County, between 2013 and 2017, MCAs wanted to impeach a speaker because he chewed gum in the chamber. You might be disappointed by a person's behavior, but that is not enough grounds to remove him or her from office. You better resign yourself for not wanting to see such a person. I agree that we need to relook this issue of the County Governments Act. The Senate Majority Leader has called it the 'bible' of counties. I will call it the constitution of counties. This is the law that all counties use to run their affairs. Instead of amending the law as it is, we should take section by section and develop a new law on how it should be governed. If it is touching on public finance management, we take that section and make a stand-alone law, the way we are making a stand-alone impeachment Bill on county governments. I urge Senators to read that law. As we read it, we should develop more laws that will help govern the counties. One of the ingredients that is a catalyst for the removal of people from office is emotions. The law I will present in this House in the next few weeks is removing those emotions by increasing the number of days from when a CECM is supposed to be removed from the three to seven days to 21 days. At that particular time, emotions will have cooled down and people will start seeing things directly. Once the Motion of removal of a CECM is approved by the Clerk after meeting the requisite requirement, within seven days, the MCA is supposed to table it on the Floor of the county assembly. Once it is tabled as a notice of motion, the county assembly will require 14 more days to discuss it. After that, they will have a committee to investigate the CECM, which will take another 14 days. If they remove the CECM, the county assembly informs the Governor within three days. The Governor has two options. The first option is to dismiss the CECM. The second is to write memoranda to the county assembly explaining why he disagrees. Once they see the memorandum, the county assembly can discuss it, agree or disagree with the governor. Once they disagree with the governor, they vote again. This way, we will allow everybody to be heard. The governor should be a witness to the CECM. The governor should be standing at the dock. I would like to explain to this House, for us to understand who a CECM is. The CECM is a watchman who stands by the gate to see who goes in or out. He does not sign any documents. He sits in the cabinet with the governor and passes programmes. Once they pass them, they inform the chief officer, and the accounting officer, who can implement the programmes from behind the CECM's back. We should change the law and make the CECM a CO. You should have two positions. The CECM and a CO should be in person. This will help to reduce the wage bill. Why do we have a CECM who attends the meetings of the governor and tells someone else to implement? These are some of the things we should be discussing. I believe that once we get there, everyone will understand. Sen. Orwoba asked what next? We should come up with a law that says that even after an impeachment, what next? Within the Bill that is coming, I feel like I am moving, but it is good to help the Members understand where we are headed. We have said there should be no replacement of a CECM after the impeachment. There should be no The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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