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"content": "replacement of a deputy governor, even after impeachment, within 14 days until we give the deputy governor or the governor an opportunity to go to court. We are not “gods” at the Senate. We cannot say that our decision is final. We have just been told that Governor Mike Sonko was never removed fairly. If we gave him an opportunity to go to court and the timelines, probably, he would be safe by today. I will give another example of Kiambu County. I like talking about my county. Even if Governor Waititu was impeached by this House, the people of Kiambu knew there was no requisite numbers at the County Assembly of Kiambu County. The other day, the former Speaker of Kiambu County Assembly, Hon. Stephen Ndichu, was on radio and he said he did not know what happened. He said \"mashetani ilikuwa kwakichwa \". He knows there were no numbers to impeach the Governor. The people of Kiambu heard him say that there were no numbers when impeaching Governor Waititu. He was also impeached in the Senate and now he can never vie for office or take any public seat because politics was the issue at that particular time. We should come up with a law that tells MCAs if they impeach a person, they should, first of all, give us the video evidence, the HANSARD and the number of votes. If there is an MCA who says they never voted, we should listen to them first. As I conclude, it is good that we look at this County Governments Act with a fine-tooth comb, so that we help the counties. I dare say that between 2013 and 2017 and 2017 and 2022, it was the national Government that was trying to kill devolution. However, between 2022 going to 2027, county governments are being killed within. Governors and probably representatives at the ward level are the ones killing counties. Therefore, we must work to empower them. I do not agree with Sen. M. Kajwang’. He said that the oversight role should be taken away from MCAs. Instead, they should be empowered, so that they can ask questions that we ask in the Senate. Let us empower MCAs for them to understand that their role is to ask governors questions about monies that we send to county governments. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I know this Bill has taken our focus away from devolution and oversight by the Senate because of the Bunge Tower. Allow me also say something on that issue. That matter is with my Committee. If there is a committee that never jokes around with issues, it is my Committee. I am not saying that no one is like them, but I must be proud of my Members. I have Sen. Chute, Sen. Sifuna, Sen. Tobiko, Sen. Kinyua, Sen. Wambua and Sen. M. Kajwang’. Look at that combination. We are going to look into this matter to the end. If it gets to a point where we need to summon the contractor who built that building, we will do so. We will summon everybody, so that we get to the bottom of this matter, to know why this building took that long, why they over bloated the expenditure and why they are not answering questions that we are asking. We do not even know how many floors are in that building. A building of so many floors has a report of about 13 pages. I mean, if you have at least one page per floor, there should be more pages to tell us how you did it and how you got to that point. Therefore, I support everybody who says that we should look into the issue of the Bunge Tower, even if it was constructed by our brother or sister. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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