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    "id": 1402885,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/1402885/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal",
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    "content": " Hon. Speaker, on the recognition of the doctors as members of the union, do we take them as employees? If they are, then by right, they will be members of a union. Are they employees or not? I must add that all over the world, medical interns are employees who earn salaries. Even here in Kenya, there are private hospitals that employ interns and they pay them. So, the question is important. I have the interest of this country at heart. This is my last question. I would like to suggest an idea which can help this country. This is not a question but a comment. The Cabinet Secretary can comment on it. The problem we have is limiting that all interns must only be employed by the Ministry. The Cabinet Secretary or her technical team can understand this suggestion. We should have a regulation on all levels of hospitals where interns can work. These are Level 4 and Level 5 hospitals, whether they are private or public. We should create positions for interns by law. When you start a hospital, there is a certain number of staff you should have. If we do that, we will open a large space for interns. We shall not have this problem. They do not have to be paid by the Government. Aga Khan University Hospital, the Karen Hospital, Tenwek Hospital and AIC Kijabe Hospital have interns whom they pay. We have to look at it broadly so that we get rid of this perennial problem of interns. Hon. Speaker, I may seek how to discuss this issue in detail later. I leave it there for now."
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