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    "id": 1462804,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mungatana, MGH",
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    "content": "investigating agencies. Why should we put the EACC there to earn allowances and yet, the DCI and the DPP do not sit in the PAC? Their mandates are very clear, that, if there is a complaint or an issue, you are supposed to make a formal request, they act upon it and then forward the file to the DPP for further action. There is no justification of the DCI sitting in the PAC. That is why they do not sit there. Equally, there is no justification for the EACC to sit in that Committee and drain public resources, being paid money for attending Senate meetings. The initial idea was that when these officers sit there, they are able to act in real time, but there is nothing they do. I ask that we review this. I pray that the Chairman of the Senate PAC, Sen. Kajwang’ and the Members will review if there is a justification for these people sitting there. Who have they seen being prosecuted from the work they have done up to now? If there is no result in what we are investing in, as a good businessman, you withdraw that investment and put that money where it matters. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the other thing that needs to be said about this is that; in Kenya now, nobody really actually cares whether we do these reports or not. Why? It is because people no longer fear. Accounting officers who are in charge of the county public assemblies have no fear because there are no consequences. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, apart from these ones that we are debating here today, even in county government, accounting officers have no fear. This is because since the beginning of this Fourth Senate, not a single individual has been arrested, charged or taken to court. Those who served, like in this report, 2019, in these county assemblies that we have enumerated here, not a single one of them has been even called to record a statement. We have created a culture where “stealing a goat worth Kshs7,000 or Kshs8,000 is not a problem but stealing Kshs2 million or Kshs20 million from the county assembly or county government coffers is not something to worry about.” Those officers come before the Senate and leave freely without any action being taken against them. My humble prayer is that---"
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