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    "id": 1472,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Mr. Orengo",
    "speaker_title": "The Minister for Lands",
    "speaker": {
        "id": 129,
        "legal_name": "Aggrey James Orengo",
        "slug": "james-orengo"
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    "content": " No, he is not too new because he knows people should not sleep in the House. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I think the Committee has made the point that without a modern information system and land information system at the Ministry of Lands, I have said this without fear of contradiction, that even if you have the Pope as the Commissioner of Lands, some of these malpractices will continue. We cannot preside and manage the affairs of the Ministry of Lands based on a technology and a system that was established in 1901. The records in the Ministry of Lands and I had the opportunity to bring one of the registers which was opened in 1901, the title deeds are marked in that register sequentially from the year 1901 to date. Some of the pages have gone missing because as people access the register, they pull out the pages and some of these have not been done just by the people in the Ministry of Lands officials, but by people who have access to these records. What was stated in the National Land Policy that we require funding to modernize and digitize the land information system in the Ministry of Lands, it is not just about computers. Computerization itself it not enough. If we can find a system of printing money which you can determine whether that is fake or not, and it is a note of Kshs5 or Kshs10 and you have a title deed which is worth Kshs20 million, we should put a little bit more money in order to individualize these title deeds, so that I can just put it in a machine and I know this title deed belongs to the Chairman of the Committee, Mr. Musyimi, and it is genuine. It will give you all that you require. Even now, and I have done some criminal cases where the security inscriptions on let us say a toothpaste tube, you can actually determine which year and where it was produced without any problems. I am saying that in that Land Information System, if this Government, which I am a part of and I have been trying to urge the Government, give us even out of the Kshs8 billion we are amassing every year, give us even Kshs1 billion of that---"
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