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    "content": "(Hon. John Mbadi): Thank you, for the very generous comments from Sen. Lemaletian and the other Senators. Let me address the issues raised by Sen. Oketch Gicheru on the procurement of the e-to-e system and the impact assessment. Yes, there is impact assessment. Maybe, if need be, we may make available information regarding how much we are likely to save as a country if we use this system. However, your guess is as good as mine. As a country, we all know that by breaking down the procurement system where the budget does not speak to procurement, it does not also speak to the cash payment and does not speak to use of goods and services. If we can have a system where from budgets to procurement to payment and finally to use of goods and services integrated in a way that you can have, if I may borrow your word, a bird's-eye view of what is happening, then we would save quite a lot that we would have otherwise wasted. If need be, we may provide the information on the impact assessment and even what we are likely to save. In terms of giving Senators a chance to engage with a system, yes, I know that these are public records and systems, but again, we have to be a little careful here because, first of all, we know that the Auditor-General has full access to the system. The Senators and Members of the National Assembly, as the oversighting institution, engage a lot with the reports of the Auditor-General, within which the offices are given resources to interrogate and engage with the system in order to see its efficiency and efficacy. We must be careful on the level of involvement of the Senators, because the separation of power or responsibilities come to play. We do not want to get our Senators in the murky waters of implementation, because you are supposed to be somewhere in terms of oversighting, not just on how money is spent, but even the systems through which they are spent. If we engage our legislators to also be like parts of the system, interacting with the system, there must be where they reach. I agree with you that Senators need to understand this system. I also used to complain a lot when I was in the National Assembly about the Integrated Financial Information Management System (IFMIS). One would just hear about upgrades every day and keep asking what kind of system is this that someone can just switch off and on The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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