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    "id": 1491000,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Sifuna",
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        "legal_name": "Sifuna Edwin Watenya",
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    "content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, matters of interpretation of rules, laws and Standing Orders are controversial. The clarity we seek is because there are Members who tend to think that when you are substantiating, it is to the satisfaction of the Speaker or explain to the Speaker. The question of substantiation arises in the cause of public debate. A pronouncement is made, and somebody raises a point of order. In fact, it is not the Speaker who requires substantiation; it is the Member who feels that the point is not factual and requires substantiation. The word ‘Speaker’ is mentioned twice in Standing Order No.105(2). In none of those instances, the word is not mentioned on the Senator convincing you that they have substantiated. The point we would like clarification on is even when you give a ruling on the Nominated Senator, Sen. Tobiko, it is important for the House to see and interact with the tendered evidence, so that when you make the decision, it is a decision of the House. For instance, because it arose in the course of debate, the sentiments of Sen. Osotsi arose in the course of public debate. What is the evidence he is seeing? If you go and review the video alone - we are not saying that you might not have the capacity on the judgement - it is important as a House to have a citation of the evidence, so that your ruling has some level of context among the Members. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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