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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ogamba",
    "speaker_title": "The Cabinet Secretary for Education",
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    "content": " How many students do we have currently in schools, especially in the secondary schools? The actual number for the year 2024 is 4.2 million. How does this gap link to shortage and ghost schools? I do not think there is a link between the shortages and ghost schools. That would be a surplus. What we have is a shortage because we have more students than we have the resources. So, there is no linkage between arguments of ghost schools or ghost students. In fact, from last year, we did an actual physical census of all the schools and the students we have in the country. We completed that exercise about two weeks ago. Currently, we are undertaking an analysis of that data that was collected to ensure that the question about ghost schools and students that keeps recurring is put to rest. We have done a physical census of each student and school we have in the country with proper coding. We are now doing an analysis to link them to what we have in the National Education Management Information System (NEMIS) to ensure that the numbers that we are giving are the numbers that we have on the ground. Sen. Orwoba, you asked whether the current deficit is linked to the deficit that Universities Academic Staff Union (UASU) is having vis-a-vis the return-to-work formula. The answer to that question is this. There is a general deficit of the budget against what is required. This is in every ministry because of what has been happening this year relating to the Finance Bill. We had a deficit of the budget and we had challenges in ensuring that we meet the obligations that we have. However, we are having a meeting this afternoon to continue discussing the challenge that is there between UASU and us. We had agreed on a 7 and 10 per cent increment, which had to be financed. You have to do the actual calculation to come up with a figure that supports the 7 and the 10 per cent increment vis-a-vis the number of years that we have to do that. However, when that simulation was done, the figure that the Government has against the figure that UASU has differs by almost Kshs5 billion. We will have a discussion to find out the reason for that calculation. When we calculate with the 7, 10, and the 4 per cent annual increment, it comes to Kshs4.3 billion. When we put in the figure of Kshs9 billion, the increment moves from 7 or 10 per cent to a different percentage. We now have to do the workings and find out a middle ground and agree on the actual figure. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only.A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services,Senate."
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