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"content": "being the administrator of the fund is concerned. However, in that particular one, I will have to give a rider to proposal made by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. We normally see a lot of fight between the clerk, MCAs and the Speaker as far as budget utilisation is concerned. If those powers will be given to the clerk, then the MCAs will be irrelevant. Your proposal is to empower the MCAs. I believe the proposal made by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale is valid. Wherever there is administrator, utilisation or removal of the budget for any purpose, I will propose in consultation with the board that is the only way the clerk should be able to use the money. In that way, the clerk will be accountable to the assembly. In practise, the clerk and the Speaker are employees of the assembly. However, looking at the salary given to the Speaker and the clerk; it is nothing comparable to salary given to the MCAs. If I can give an example of my county, you can imagine a speaker earning Kshs500,000 and the clerk Kshs400,000, respectively, while the MCAs earn Kshs200,000 plus. These are employees of the MCAs and yet they are earning more than them. I will propose also, as a House, we must do something about the salary of the MCAs. You cannot oversight or employ somebody who is earning more than you. He will never respect you. The CECMs are all earning more than the MCAs. That is ridiculous. We must do something about the salary of the MCAs. The other proposal that I want to make is where you indicated utilisation of the budget for emergency purposes. We have to be specific. What are those emergencies? County governments are already misusing the budget allocated to them under emergency. In this particular case, if we are not very careful, there could be duplication of the same fund for the same activities. It has to be specific on what they should spend on as far as budget allocation is concerned. County assemblies are living in a very deplorable situation. If I may speak of my county of Isiolo, last week, some MCAs came out and condemned on certain payrolls. Can you imagine the governor colluding with the speaker and the rest of the members to remove them from all the committees of the House and to suspend them for six months, one particular member from the House? It is ridiculous. It is unacceptable. There is no way these Members oversight if they are running after governors to give them support. These people are on the ground. They are the ones who are facing the challenges on the ground where members of public are turning to them for school fees, medical assistance and many other things, yet they are beggars running after the governors whom they should actually oversight. To some extent, the budget currently allocated to them, the governors and the speakers collude and steal the money from county assembly. This particular Bill will solve that problem if it be assented to. I know MCAs of my county assembly have been crying about this. I hope this will be a solution to the problems, which also affect Kenyans. As Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale said that in a public baraza, the best they can do is to say that the governors are doing well even when they are doing zero on the ground. They have really embarrassed us and members of the public. When they are supposed to carry out their oversight role, the best they do is to say that the Senate is The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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