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"speaker_name": "Kikuyu, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, this amendment intends to make it punitive to carry stolen materials, especially those related to the energy sector. I wanted to propose, maybe as a middle ground, that instead of deleting the entire amendment, the Chairman should consider adding a proviso that any vessel that is used to convey the vandalised or stolen equipment or appliances referred to in subsection (1) shall be forfeited to the State, provided that the owner of the vessel is not the person who is guilty of having vandalised the equipment. This amendment intends to discourage people who lease out their cars for transportation, without knowing what is being transported. In view of what the Committee is saying, we also need to protect other innocent people, including ourselves. Your driver may take your car and ferry a vandalised transformer. Your car will be unknowingly forfeited to the State. I do not know what proviso we can put in place. Maybe the legal officers can help us to"
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