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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal",
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    "content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We have a problem and it is basically a problem of transition. When we passed the health Bills, remember our greatest argument was on transition. Why SHA and SHIF have got into problems is because we have not handled the transition well. SHA has three funds. The SHIF itself is a little bit okay because of the people who are employed and, therefore, easy to catch. What about self-employed people? What about the indigents? What are we able to do to them now? That is where the problem is. Even when they register, the premium they have to pay has to be determined. As it is now, that is not working well. One can be registered, but how much premium the person has to pay does not come quickly. Even when one is given the premium, the existing ERP that is supposed to help one with how to pay is also a problem. It has been a problem even for employed people, but I understand that is now improving. So, those are the problems. We are saying that we are going to use a means-testing instrument for the self- employed to test themselves. When people give data of their employment, and it is determined how much they are supposed to pay, how can that be verified? And are they able to pay now? What is the system of payment? That actually is still another problem. The indigents are people who cannot pay. Let me say this: we cannot do proxy means- testing online. All over the world, nobody has ever done proxy means-testing online because the proxies that are used themselves cannot tell the proper means. At one point you have to get to the ground and see the family. We cannot say this is a stone house and it tells you the income of the family. We have to go and see what form of stone was used. We cannot say this is a"
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