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    "id": 1496932,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. Kavindu Muthama",
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        "legal_name": "Agnes Kavindu Muthama",
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    "content": "build mosques for them. Pastors as well depend on their congregations and well- wishers to build churches. Let me detach myself completely from this. The Bible tells me that you can never touch the apple of the eye of God. If we touch the church, we will be fighting with God. I am sure there is no one particular man or kingdom that can fight with God. Since we build churches through fundraising, I will say no to this Bill, unless we allocate funds for churches to do their developments. If the Government allocates funds for churches, then we can talk about such a Bill, but not at this time. Fundraising in this country should not be stopped. If there are people who misuse the idea of fundraising to go and clean or give out a lot of money, why can the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) not follow them to know where they are getting it from? We also have the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA). They should establish whether those people pay taxes. Why punish people who should gain from harambees or fundraisers instead of people who take such money to churches and people who need it? We have seen people giving out money, like Kshs20 million, during a church harambee. They do not just do that to one or two but different churches in one day, and they give huge amounts of money. Such people should be followed by the EACC, so that they say where they are getting that kind of money from. We know their salaries and capabilities, but where are they getting the money? If there is any Bill that we should be discussing today, it should be about how to end corruption in this country, but not how to end harambees. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I oppose this Bill. I thank you."
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