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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
    "speaker_title": "The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works and Housing",
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    "content": "have a discussion in my office, maybe with MPs from those regions so that we agree on which are the appropriate places that we can start thinking of a registry. Sen. Kinyua asked me how much I need so that next year I do not come here again and say I do not have money. I know what I should do avoid saying we have no funding. Regarding the colonial villages in Nyeri, Kirinyaga and Nyandarua, we had done an estimate of Kshs137 million and that request has been put to the National Treasury. However, I think in order to clear with all the colonial villages we will need double that amount because they are not just in those places. We are talking of about maybe Kshs300 million to clear with that. I have a question from Sen. Miraj about Mombasa or the coastal region, how many titles are ready and not collected? Allow me to give you this information of where titles are ready and how many there are, later. I do not have that information because it is a supplementary question. It is good to have a proper response in terms of data. I will request that I forward that information either through the Senate or to you as an MP. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have been asked a question by Sen. Kavindu Muthama on Katerembo. However, to be honest, I do not have any information about this specific society, or the question that you want me to address. What I can gather from you is that this is a private land, but there are squatters. I had said earlier that the question of squatters is a very serious problem in this country. The last time I appeared either here or before the National Assembly Committee. As a country, we are developing a class of people who I would define as professional squatters. They move from one land to another - believe me – those lands have owners. These people are just moving from one land to another once the land appears like it is vacant. Mr. Speaker, Sir, maybe we can have a meeting with you. I would invite the hon. Senator to my office so that I can be seized of the challenges she is raising. I do not want to add more on that. However, if they are squatters, they would have to negotiate with the owners of the land so that possibly they give them the land. Sometimes they are squatters who have worked in that land for a long time, but we cannot allow people to just come to your land and occupy it. Tomorrow, it will be you, and the other day, it will be somebody else's land. People must also learn to respect the land rights of others. However, they could have a reason why they are calling themselves squatters in that land. Let us have a discussion. I do not know whether I have answered all the questions. On the question of what happens when two people claim they have some title that appears legit and then who is the owner? There can only be one legitimate title deed. So, one of those titles is a forgery. It means then you would have to interrogate the document itself and also the record. The record will guide you to the ownership by name. There are also features. When we interrogate the title deeds, there are features that we look for in them, which will lead us closer to who has a forged title deed because some are just printed. I do not want to say in River Road because other good things happen in River Road. Let us say in the streets of Nairobi. If you have any like that, you The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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