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    "id": 1499958,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
    "speaker_title": "The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development",
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    "content": "The last time I was in Tharaka to give titles, the Njuri-Ncheke members and other leaders said that I should not touch the question of administrative boundaries. In response to the question of administrative boundaries, to deal with that, Parliament has to give a resolution if we alter it. I am speaking also to the governors of the two counties. To alter the boundary, you need the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) to be appointed by Parliament to do this specific work, but we shall not have resolved the problem. I have adjudication sections, but we cannot do them because your people, hon. Senator, chased my officers. That is the answer. We shall remain like that until they accept that if your land is in Meru and you are from Tharaka, wewe utakaa Tharaka Nithi. However, you can sell the land if you do not want to be in Tharaka, but instead in Meru. These are the messages you should help me deliver. We can have a baraza and talk to the Njuri Ncheke. You can also ask your counterparts in Meru to talk to each other so that we resolve this. I will need less than two years to give you titles that are remaining because we have already declared the sections. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, they know what they are asking me will not resolve the question of titling. Redrawing the boundary will not happen around that area because it is not easy. The way they are saying that it should be drawn is not practical. I cannot remove your land and put it in Meru because you are a Tharaka living on your land in Meru. The hon. Senator knows this problem. He should be my supporter, so that we accept the boundaries. Using this Flor, my appeal is that we should accept the boundary as it is. If your land is in Meru and you are from Tharaka Nithi, sell it to Meru County or whoever is interested and relocate. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, there is a challenge. The best solution is to agree to live with each other. These are just physical boundaries. Why are they becoming a challenge? I do not understand because Kenyans can live anywhere irrespective of their ethnic communities. This is not a problem that can be resolved by redrawing that boundary. There will be other people in the interior and away from the boundary. You could find a Tharaka living in Meru. Will I be doing service to him by changing the boundary? These are issues that are painful for us. We have already declared the adjudication sections and we are ready to finish. I have no doubt that this problem is more political than legal. I have analysed and established that sometimes people use it for political reasons. I am not saying that the Senator is one of those who use it, but it is quite political and emotive because people kill each other over that subject. Therefore, the Ministry has reached a point where it will ask the leaders to go back and speak to their people. On the second question, you wanted to know how long it takes to title adjudication section. It takes approximately two years to complete when all other factors are favourable. However, the Ministry will hasten the process of adjudication in the stated areas as soon as the boundary issue is settled. We have left that matter until we resolve those questions being raised. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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